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    <updated>2008-09-05T18:21:25Z</updated>
    <subtitle>latest comments on the SNF Labs weblog</subtitle>
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    <title>Re: moot tools</title>
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    <published>2008-08-05T15:40:31Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-05T15:40:31Z</updated>
    
    <summary>On reflection, it would be too much work.  Maybe I&apos;ll learn jQuery for some other site.</summary>
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        <name>cobra libre</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On reflection, it would be too much work.  Maybe I'll learn jQuery for some other site.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: SNF: TNG</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2006://5.341/comment-89</id>
    
    <published>2006-03-25T04:27:19Z</published>
    <updated>2006-03-25T04:27:19Z</updated>
    
    <summary>Hmm, adding the ability to post found images as well might make things more interesting.  It would also kill two or three birds with one stone since I was planning to do that as a second application anyway.  I&apos;m listening to Kraftwerk.

WE ARE THE ROBOTS</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hmm, adding the ability to post found images as well might make things more interesting.  It would also kill two or three birds with one stone since I was planning to do that as a second application anyway.  I'm listening to Kraftwerk.</p>

<p>WE ARE THE ROBOTS</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: SNF: TNG</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2006://5.341/comment-88</id>
    
    <published>2006-03-24T19:18:01Z</published>
    <updated>2006-03-24T19:18:01Z</updated>
    
    <summary>Then there&apos;s the part of me that feels like it&apos;s pointless to expend any more energy on SNF now that we&apos;re living in the age of Myspace.  Most of my friends are scarcely aware of the rest of the WWW at this point.</summary>
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        <name>cobra libre</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Then there's the part of me that feels like it's pointless to expend any more energy on SNF now that we're living in the age of Myspace.  Most of my friends are scarcely aware of the rest of the WWW at this point.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: SNF: TNG</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2006://5.341/comment-87</id>
    
    <published>2006-03-24T19:15:26Z</published>
    <updated>2006-03-24T19:15:26Z</updated>
    
    <summary>I&apos;ll start.  I don&apos;t actually want to throw out most of the site, because I&apos;ve spent too much time working on it.

Changing the front page would be nice, though.  I was thinking, for example, that I could write a simple blog posting app, modeled on Metafilter, that would merge the Grue York Times and the link-o-matic.  We could allow any of the SNF regulars (such as they are) to post to it, which in theory would keep the front page reasonably fresh.  In practice, I guess we&apos;d have to start posting again ourselves to get people interested.  That&apos;s not a terribly bold idea, though, so I&apos;m open to something better.</summary>
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        <name>cobra libre</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'll start.  I don't actually want to throw out most of the site, because I've spent too much time working on it.</p>

<p>Changing the front page would be nice, though.  I was thinking, for example, that I could write a simple blog posting app, modeled on <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/">Metafilter</a>, that would merge the Grue York Times and the link-o-matic.  We could allow any of the SNF regulars (such as they are) to post to it, which in theory would keep the front page reasonably fresh.  In practice, I guess we'd have to start posting again ourselves to get people interested.  That's not a terribly bold idea, though, so I'm open to something better.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: i was bored before i even began</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.340/comment-85</id>
    
    <published>2005-12-07T06:27:19Z</published>
    <updated>2005-12-07T06:27:19Z</updated>
    
    <summary>hahaha, i shouldn&apos;t have posted a statement in the form of a question. anyway, that&apos;s cool! what did you set the upload limit to? even upping it to 9 or 10 megs would make a big difference.</summary>
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        <name>fhazel</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>hahaha, i shouldn't have posted a statement in the form of a question. anyway, that's cool! what did you set the upload limit to? even upping it to 9 or 10 megs would make a big difference.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: i was bored before i even began</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.340/comment-84</id>
    
    <published>2005-12-06T21:52:57Z</published>
    <updated>2005-12-06T21:52:57Z</updated>
    
    <summary>Okay, after several iterations, I was finally able to compile a working PHP 5.1.1.  A copy of the binary resides in ~/www/shoplifters/bin.

Downloads work perfectly now.  When I have some spare time one of these evenings, I&apos;ll work on the upload code.

The performance seems very satisfactory, so that&apos;s not a concern, I guess.  I had to disable some features that Dreamhost normally enables to get the thing to compile, so I&apos;d continue to use the official Dreamhost PHP unless you have a specific reason not to.  I&apos;d also prefer to abandon the custom compiled PHP as soon as Dreamhost updates their install; otherwise, I&apos;ll have to continually worry about keeping this PHP build (and its constituent libraries) updated for security issues.</summary>
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        <name>cobra libre</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Okay, after several iterations, I was finally able to compile a working PHP 5.1.1.  A copy of the binary resides in ~/www/shoplifters/bin.</p>

<p>Downloads work perfectly now.  When I have some spare time one of these evenings, I'll work on the upload code.</p>

<p>The performance seems very satisfactory, so that's not a concern, I guess.  I had to disable some features that Dreamhost normally enables to get the thing to compile, so I'd continue to use the official Dreamhost PHP unless you have a specific reason not to.  I'd also prefer to abandon the custom compiled PHP as soon as Dreamhost updates their install; otherwise, I'll have to continually worry about keeping this PHP build (and its constituent libraries) updated for security issues.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: i was bored before i even began</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.340/comment-83</id>
    
    <published>2005-12-06T19:56:42Z</published>
    <updated>2005-12-06T19:56:42Z</updated>
    
    <summary>I should have said &quot;good call&quot; instead of &quot;good question.&quot; It&apos;s definitely controlled by a php.ini setting.  We still want to keep the file size limit down to something reasonable because I think that Dreamhost uses a process reaper that will kill anything that&apos;s been running for too long.  Anyway, we can experiment to see what works.

Without going into the details, compiling PHP has been a real pain in the ass so far, unfortunately, but it&apos;s compiling again as I speak, and I think it&apos;s going to work.

The next question is whether or not FastCGI will work.  If it doesn&apos;t, then the performance is going to be poor, and I&apos;ll probably only use the custom PHP binary for uploading and downloading.</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I should have said "good call" instead of "good question." It's definitely controlled by a php.ini setting.  We still want to keep the file size limit down to something reasonable because I think that Dreamhost uses a process reaper that will kill anything that's been running for too long.  Anyway, we can experiment to see what works.</p>

<p>Without going into the details, compiling PHP has been a real pain in the ass so far, unfortunately, but it's compiling again as I speak, and I think it's going to work.</p>

<p>The next question is whether or not FastCGI will work.  If it doesn't, then the performance is going to be poor, and I'll probably only use the custom PHP binary for uploading and downloading.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: i was bored before i even began</title>
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    <published>2005-12-06T04:12:33Z</published>
    <updated>2005-12-06T04:12:33Z</updated>
    
    <summary>it&apos;s controlled by a php.ini setting, isn&apos;t it? or is there also something in apache that affects it.</summary>
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        <name>fhazel</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>it's controlled by a php.ini setting, isn't it? or is there also something in apache that affects it.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: i was bored before i even began</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.340/comment-81</id>
    
    <published>2005-12-06T03:52:05Z</published>
    <updated>2005-12-06T03:52:05Z</updated>
    
    <summary>Holy shit.  That&apos;s a good question.</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Holy shit.  That's a good question.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: i was bored before i even began</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.340/comment-80</id>
    
    <published>2005-12-06T03:40:22Z</published>
    <updated>2005-12-06T03:40:22Z</updated>
    
    <summary>i don&apos;t suppose doing that would let you increase the uploaded file size limit to something bigger than 6-8 megs would it?</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>i don't suppose doing that would let you increase the uploaded file size limit to something bigger than 6-8 megs would it?</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: i was bored before i even began</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.340/comment-79</id>
    
    <published>2005-12-06T00:09:33Z</published>
    <updated>2005-12-06T00:09:33Z</updated>
    
    <summary>They wrote back and suggested that I compile my own copy of PHP, because it could be months before they upgrade to a newer version.</summary>
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        <name>cobra libre</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>They wrote back and suggested that I compile my own copy of PHP, because it could be months before they upgrade to a newer version.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: i was bored before i even began</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.340/comment-78</id>
    
    <published>2005-12-02T08:49:32Z</published>
    <updated>2005-12-02T08:49:32Z</updated>
    
    <summary>that&apos;s kind of a crippling blow, isn&apos;t it. crap.</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>that's kind of a crippling blow, isn't it. crap.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: help me, chris</title>
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    <published>2005-11-01T16:58:55Z</published>
    <updated>2005-11-01T16:58:55Z</updated>
    
    <summary>Lousy database.  Okay, I&apos;ve implemented the solution in PHP.  Thanks.</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lousy database.  Okay, I've implemented the solution in PHP.  Thanks.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: help me, chris</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.339/comment-76</id>
    
    <published>2005-10-31T07:00:16Z</published>
    <updated>2005-10-31T07:00:16Z</updated>
    
    <summary>Well, the MySQL syntax isn&apos;t too hard, but sadly only version 5 supports stored procedures. Back to the drawing board, or rather, the PHP script.</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Well, the MySQL syntax isn't too hard, but sadly only version 5 supports stored procedures. Back to the drawing board, or rather, the PHP script.</p>]]>
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    <title>Re: help me, chris</title>
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    <id>tag:labs.spaceshipnofuture.org,2005://5.339/comment-75</id>
    
    <published>2005-10-29T00:55:32Z</published>
    <updated>2005-10-29T00:55:32Z</updated>
    
    <summary>Now all I need to do is figure out MySQL&apos;s stored procedure syntax. Which will be clunky if it&apos;s anything like MS SQL Server&apos;s.</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Now all I need to do is figure out MySQL's stored procedure syntax. Which will be clunky if it's anything like MS SQL Server's.</p>]]>
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